Dolnet Sax Serial Numbers

Be aware this is more likely to be a Series I Dolnet Tenor Saxophone based on the visual pictures and comments I have received from other Ebayers. On 19-Apr-21 at 18:17:48 BST, seller added the following information: Just in addition another Ebayer said this might be 19th Century Dolnet but again this definitely earlier than a Series II Saxophone. Hey guys, this is my first post. Just would like to ask a question about my Dolnet sax and hope someone might be able to answer if for me. The serial number is 30239, on saxpics it has a listing for Dolnets but says series II is number 1,200-3,400 and Bel-air is number 34,000-80,000. I have since gotten the Dolnet, New Aristo, and 26M mentioned above in and played the Dolnet and the 26M vs. The Modell 3- the New Aristo needs an overhaul first. Although the Dolnet and 26M weren’t in what I would consider perfect playing condition, the Modell 3 still won in terms of sound in my book- although the other horns look quite a. DOLNET Country of manufacture: France Production span: 1888-1994. Dolnet horns were produced in very small numbers by a small French workshop that specialized in saxes. Production of saxophones was no more than about 500 horns per year. Dolnet Tenor Sax - Bel Air? Listed: May 10th, 2017 20:53 PM: Description: Dolnet Tenor Sax. I believe this is the Bel Air model. Serial number 46695C. I've searched, but can't find an exact year of manufacture (though I'd guess some time in the 1950s) Comes with hard case and 2 necks. I'll knock $50 off if you only want one neck.

Things aren’t always what they seem! Many times an instrument stamped with one name was actually made by another manufacturer. The identity of the true maker is often impossible to trace, but here are a few of the most commonly seen “stencils” and their true identity. These horns are NOT the same as the manufacturer’s “house brand” and do NOT follow the same serial number sequence. There is almost no information available on Asian made stencils. There are plenty more out there that do not appear on this list because I am unsure of their origin. It was not at all uncommon for a company to source horns from multiple vendors, hence multiple entries.

American Artist

American Capitol

American Premier

Artist

Blessing

Bruno

Bundy

Cafaro Special

Carl Fischer

Cole & Dunas

Crusader

Ditson

Elkhart

Elkhorn

Getzen

Harwood Professional

Jenkins

Legionnaire

Lyon & Healy

Lyons Monarch

Perfactone

Royal Artist

Sherwood

Silvertone

Spangler

Supertone

The Yankee

Tom Brown

USA

Vega

Vocotone

Weymann

Windsor

Wolverine

Wurlitzer

Abbott Premier

American Artist

American First

American Hagar

American Perfecto

American Triumph

Bandmaster

Beaufort American

Bruno

Carl Fischer

Cavalier

C. J. Spangler

Cole & Dunas

Columbian

Commodore

Commoinwealth

Concertone

Continental Colonial

Crusader

Elkhart

Grand Opera

Gretsch

Hamilton

Harry Pedler

Harwood

Horace

Jenkins

Kalashians Kleartone

Kalacific

Keefer

La Pacific

Lefleur

Liberty

Lyon & Healy

Olympian

Pan American

Perfection

Pride of Elkhart

Sears & Roebuck

Selmer New York

Sherwood

Supertone

Symphony

Tom Brown

Varsity

Vega

Velvetone

Virginian

Werlein Special

Whittle Zenith

Wm. Meyer American

Wolverine

Wurlitzer

Xcelo

York

King

Lyon & Healy

Gretch

Rudy Weidoft

Numbers

American Professional

American Standard

American Scholastic

Cleveland

Gladiator

Olympian

Vega

Abbott Premier

American Artist

American Perfection

American Professional

Bandmaster

Beaufort American

Bel Canto

Bettoney

Blessing

Bruno

Commander

Champion

Colonial

Concertone

Couesnon

Couturier

Dick Stabile

Diplomat

Dorn & Kirschner

Elkhart

Gary

Gold Star

Harmony

Honercomb

Horace

Indiana Band Instrument

Kingston

Knickerbocker

Lewin

Dolnet Saxophone Serial Numbers

Lyon & Healy

Lyric

Manhattan

Mastercraft

Melody Master

Midwestern

Oliver Ditson

Pedler

Perfacktone

Premier American

Reynolds

Sherwood

Standard Artists

Standard American

Supertone

Symphony

Tempertone

Wurlitzer

Vega

Viking

Acme

Artiste

Buffet Dynaction

Carl Fischer

Dolnet saxophone serial numbers

Cartier

Community

Criterion

Diplomat

Grenadier

Hallmark

Leggett Special

Linton

Lyceum

Martel

Mercury

M. Pierre

Supreme

The Music Center

Adolphe

DeVille

Wolverine

Alexandre

Bandmaster

De Villier

Couf

Royalist

Conn DJH

Buffet

Sax

Edgeware

Marco

Corvair

Marco

Vincent Albert

Martelle

Winsall

Bundy Special

Armdstrong

Heritage

King Tempo

Champion

Calvert Deluxe

Roxy

Senator

The New King

Tone King

Olds Ambassador

Olds Parisian

Santy Runyon

Artist 300

Dolnet Sax Serial Numbers

Boucet

Carl Ludwig

Carl Schillert

Clinton

Condor

Convair

De Villiers

Diamond

Bebr. Alexander Mainz

H. Genet

Impala

Jubilee

La Sete Professional

National

Original Hopf Classic

Paragon

Pierre Maure Artiste

Rene Dumont

Roxy

Dolnet Saxophone Serial Numbers

Senator

Dolnet Sax Serial Numbers

SML

Star Tone

Symphonic

Toneline

Voss

DABICO

Genton

Huttl

LaFleur

Le Meilleur Du Monde

Lipson

Silvertone

Jean Cartier

Jules Revan

La Chambre

Alexandra

Dolnet Sax Serial Numbers

Contempra

Finnish Marigaux

King Marigaux

Jenco Harmonia

Pichard

Vedette

Woodwind


(1935 to 1984; s/n 0 thru 01xxx; earlier models not listed)
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Dolnet (pronounced DOL-NAY) is a model which has been getting steadily more popular since I started this website. There is a good reason for this: the horns are solidly made, are quite jazzy and have a fairly good sound, although there are some negative comments here and there regarding intonation.

There isn't a Dolnet model or serial number chart, per se, so I essentially am creating this based on engravings, user input and manufacturing differences.

As far as real Dolnet history goes, Dolnet was founded in 1880 and started manufacturing saxophones around 1888. I'm going to let guest columnist Laurie Pimblett take it from here (his commentary will always be in RED. Quotations from other sources are in BROWN):

Over the years I've been exclusively collecting French saxes. Along the way I've made a small collection of Dolnets; these I regard as unknown treasures of the sax world, and I rate them very highly indeed. They are often good -- sometimes breathtaking -- and rank amongst the best saxes I've ever played!
I understand that there were two partners in the Dolnet company, going by the names of Messieurs Pigis and Lefevre; their workshop was situated at Mantes, the historical 'heart' of France's woodwind craft workshops, and fascinatingly, the home of the Selmer marque (and Buffet, etc.).There is much in common with Selmers in terms of technical points and general ease of action and feel, though sometimes there are small errors in construction -- such as occasional solder- and rod-looseness both very easily dealt with -- but not worth getting 'sniffy' about if you want a potentially superb instrument like a Dolnet.

... and the quoted and requoted line that's going around the Internet (this is Wichita Band Instruments' version):
Dolnet horns were produced in very small numbers by a small French workshop that specialized in saxes. See page #193 of the German book 'That's Jazz', for a photo of Lester Young playing a Dolnet tenor.

IMHO, it appears that Dolnet production parallels Buffet, SML and Couesnon production, more than Selmer: not only is the keywork design on early Dolnets similar to early SML's (and becomes similar to Buffet after about 1940), some of the Jean Cartier stencils have the beautiful Sparkle Lacquer that is most famously found on the Buffet Super Dynaction. The overall look is definitely influenced by (or influenced) Couesnon horns. All this makes me agree with David Hughes (an e-mailer): the Dolnets were produced until at least the mid-1980's, not the 1960's as many websites indicate (see also Saxophon-Service, which advocates an end date of 1984).

As mentioned, there isn't an official serial number list, although there are some ranges cobbled together, below. It seems, however, that the serial number ranges incorporate the full production of ALL instruments produced by Dolnet, not just saxophones. I'd think that production of saxophones was no more than 500 horns per year.

Also note that the 'Bel Air' series introduced letters after the serial number. If you see a 'C' after the serial number, it isn't a C instrument!

As always, if you have further information or pictures, please contact me at saxpics@gmail.com.

Bb Sopranos
s/n 42xx
Silver Plate
From eBay.com

If it is true that the first Dolnet saxophones were produced in 1888, these are definitely not the first saxophones that Dolnet produced, but are the earliest I've been able to find. It is possible that, like Buffet, their serial number chart has changed a couple of times.

Based on these horns' keywork, I would estimate they were made in the mid- to late-1930s.

Series II
(s/n 12xx to 34xxx; 1940 to 1950)
Bb Tenors
s/n unknown
Silver Plate
From eBay.com

More from Mr. Pimblett: [The pictures from Sax'Melody are from] I think, a French guy who just wanted the world to see the progress he was making in his restoration of an earlier Dolnet tenor; it's a gorgeous sax and I would love to get my hands on it. It has a simple bellbrace, and instead of pearls on the keyguards it looks to have red glass or garnet -- perhaps even red amber -- which was certainly popular with the top-class British and American fishing reel manufacturers as a hardwearing and semi-precious bearing material and decoration back in the '20s -'40s.

There also appears to be an 'intermediate' horn in this series without these 'gems', or it could just be that Dolnet wanted to change things for a year or two.

The later horns in this series switch to the 'diamond' bell to body brace which is found on virtually all later Dolnets.

Bel Air Series
(s/n 34xxx to 80xxx; 1950 to 1970)
Bb Tenors
s/n 395xxG
Thanks to Laurie Pimblett
Lacquer
Two-Tone
Enamel
Silver

My Dolnet tenor is, I think, a Belair model, but in silver. It's a big bore sax with the typical hexagonal 'Art Deco' touches to the side keys, the crook ferrule and the C/Eb cluster. The LH thumb-rest is a round pearl, as are the centres on the geometric keyguards. The crook-cork collar is rolled, like Selmer's. Keywork is (apart from the superb Dolnet octave system) otherwise conventional.

Engraving is quite distinctive: elaborate concentric geometic scrolling, all emanating from what might be called a central 'cartouche' -- I think the artist was strongly influenced by the patterns in the magnetic field! The overall effect is stunning.

The action is very free and fast, with a colossal lower end and a really juicy B/Bb.This sax just outroars my '68 VI AND easily equals my '75 VII -- a great rock sax in its own right. With this baby I use a Dukoff D7.
Dating is VERY vague but info. to hand suggests a date for the ser. no. 395**G around 1948-50.
My Belair alto matches the tenor quite precisely, with all the same keywork features except for the octave thumbrest which is black Bakelite or rubber, a straight-drawn collar at the crook-cork and a more conventional round crook ferrule.
The action is very fast indeed, despite the quite oversized low B/Bb key-cups. The sound is again very big, but beautifully mellow around middle D; octave and arpeggio-work is very easy and fluid, though I have had a few pitch problems around upper A/B/C/C# emanating, I think, from tired crook corking.
Engraving is -- contrary to what I read about them being plain 'belt and braces' saxes -- quite exquisite. It has highly detailed and painstakingly executed floral motifs -- far more beautiful than my Selmers, Buffets or Conns. (Are critics talking about the same saxes here, or have I just been lucky in picking up three jewels?!)
Dating for the ser. no.729**J is estimated at about 1959-62.

[The 'Bel Air' model name is based on] a conversation I had with an old guy back a few years ago: he had a Bel Air tenor identical to mine, though of a slightly earlier ser. no. (within a few hundred). He bought it new in Paris back in the late 40's (though he couldn't be certain exactly when). My alto, which came from the same source, matches my tenor closely but again is not marked 'Bel Air'.

My 395** tenor is probably younger by a year or two.
Now, his sax MIGHT have languished in a shop for a good while, so we have to be very cautious about date!

These horns are virtually identical to the Imperial model (listed below). It's possible that Dolnet actually labelled these horns 'Bel Air' for a few years, labelled them 'Imperial' for a few years and then decided not to label them anything at all.

Imperial Models
(s/n 40xxx to 45xxx; 1952 to 1953)
Bb Tenors
s/n unknown
From eBay.com
Gold

Please see the comments on the Bel Air series horns, above.

It's possible that these horns were only available for this thin serial number range.
I don't have a wider sampling.

Bb Tenors
s/n 834xx
Thanks to Laurie Pimblett
Silver Plate

Next comes something rather special, my M70 (model name engraved on the bell). This I got from a European dealer who listed it as 'a beginner's horn ... very difficult to play'. I got it for very little.
This horn has some remarkable features such as a bell offset sharply to the right with compensatory adjustments to the bell keys and a narrower bore than the Belairs -- yet with a considerable flair to the bell (reminiscent of the early Buescher 400s).

It hasn't got the big sound of its older brothers, but it is one of the sweetest and most clear-voiced classical tenors I've ever played. Just recently I performed a Haydn duet with harpsichord/electric keyboard, and the audience was ecstatic about the sound: it plays the most controlled pianissimos of any of my saxes and has a lightning-fast action.

Again, it has pearl touches to the keyguards which are typically Dolnet art-deco, though the engraving is quite different: this time in very beautiful series of straight and zigzagged lines in true deco style.

Ser. no. 834** places it very late, possibly 1969-70.

I also know that my M70 's original and battered case is one which was in production in the late 60's -- I actually remember them being sold.

(Purely speculatively: could M70 stand for 'Modele (19)70'? Some manufacturers start off a new decade with a new model [e.g. the Mark VII and Super 80]. If it is true that the case is from the late 60's and this horn was only produced in the early 1970's, this might explain the extreme rarity of the sax, the significant departures from earlier Dolnet keywork and the dramatic lefthand angle on the bell.)

The horn also has a redesigned G#/C#/B/Bb cluster, more 'rounded' (i.e. not 'Art Deco') keys and 'Selmeresque' lower keyrods. If you accept my theory that Dolnet borrowed heavily from Buffet design, this horn looks an awful lot like a combination of a Buffet Super Dynaction or S1 and a Buescher 400 'Top Hat and Cane'.

Universal Models
(s/n 00000 to 01xxx?; 1980 to 1984)

These are a slightly less elaborate version of the M70: it doesn't have an offset bell and has different engraving, but otherwise appears identical to the previous model.

I have heard of altos and sopranos in this serial number range.

As far as I have been able to determine, this is the last model Dolnet. If the M70 was introduced in1970, I see no reason not to believe that these horns were introduced in 1980.

Jean Cartier Stencils
('Bel Air' Stencil)
Bb Tenors
s/n 78621c
From eBay.com
Two-Tone

These are one of the few stencils I've ever seen that actually have MORE features than the horn they were stencilled from

There are at least two models of these horns: 'The Royal Jazz Model', which sometimes has additional keywork (altissimo D# trill, G# trill, etc.), rolled tone holes and a microtuner neck, a la Conn and one sometimes labeled 'Artist Model' that generally doesn't have all the additional stuff, but is striking, nonetheless.

As mentioned in the introduction, these models sometimes have been done in Sparkle Lacquer, like some Buffet Superdynactions. I've now seen two of these models, so I doubt that these horns were relacquers.

Jules Revan Stencil
('Imperial' Stencil)
Eb Altos
s/n 41509
Thanks to Junkdude
Lacquer

Please see the comments on the Bel Air and Imperial series horns, above.

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